@cinebox @socketwench I got that reference!

@lmorchard@gts.decafbad.com testing back

Huh. I rather liked The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special

@TheADHDHobbyist heh, love that “recreational” cannabis use

@TheADHDHobbyist also to be clear, I’m commiserating and not judging (he says, reaching for the gummies)

A thing I keep thinking about, around the last few years of AI/ML hype:

It's fun & miraculous now, but what happens if or when the training fodder dries up because humans no longer synthesize & generate it? Or if folks get more guarded about sharing things because harvesters circle like vultures?

What do those stagnant doldrums look like if we come to rely on the tools for general production over the next decade or two, but the underlying source material is frozen circa 2020-2024?

Is it going to take us 20 years of stupidity to find a generative way to thrive together with this stuff rather than just the usual zero-sum extractive doom spiral?

Is that over-pessimistic? I feel like I've seen too many Cassandra-cycles in tech where we knew what would happen but watched it play out anyway

@nick Yeah, that's kind of what I'm talking about, a lot of doom predictions were made and a lot of them came true anyway

I want, like, solarpunk co-op grocer machine learning where everyone lives decently in Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism. Of course I'm talking about it in terms of capitalism because I have the brain worms. Also I use this stuff for work every day, so it's not like I'm an ML-vegan

I don't really know how to fix it. I imagine a virtuous cycle would be interesting. What if it were possible to carve out a decent livelihood in sharing your work with machines, partnering with those machines to generate more?

That, as opposed to abiding extraction, paying for the privilege of having your work digested and served back to you. I mean, if you're lucky, at the end of that convolution you get a paycheck. But it's not a direct process with happy feedback.

What if the machines could trace attribution and the folks running the machines agreed to route value back to the sources? (i.e. fuck you pay me) This is an ancient idea. Ted Nelson built it into Xanadu, for example, in the 60s & 70s

@dria Yeah, it would just be nice if humans could do it for a living reliably rather than in spite of what we're doing for a living

@voltur Yes... ha ha ha... YES

@postpunkjustin @shawnhooper Yeah, another copilot user here just to plus-one this. It's like an eager intern who mostly saves labor but occasionally goes way off into the weeds. Not at all a thing which should be considered a primary author.

Oh huh, a browser-maker launched a Mastodon instance. Just not the one I think I expected 🤔

https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/vivaldi-social-a-new-mastodon-instance/